Why doesn't CFEclipse let me work, how I did in HomeSite, CFStudio or Dreamweaver?
This question keeps coming up, Why doesn't CFEclipse do this, or that. I can't start to use CFEclipse full time till it allows me to do this or that.
Well, my answer to this is: How come there are already a great number of CF Developers using CFEclipse without a problem? The reason: they changed the way they developed to fit with CFEclipse.
Microsoft-IIS/6.0
Even so, I think Mark Kruger gives a good alternate viewpoint:
http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2008/1/18/...
How mature, and your reasoning for the comment?
I'm a Keyboard person myself and don't find that, what sort of issues do you find with it?
I've also recently discovered the delights of working sets to help with managing all the projects that I have to flick through on a daily basis.
Only thing I miss from Homesite/CFStudio is the code sweeper.
The staple of subclipse/subversive, Mylyn, XMLBuddy, Aptana and CFEclipse pretty much cover everything I need to do on a coding day.
Have some of my bollocks:
1) Eclpise's implementation of SVN is flakey (or should I say subclipse). I wouldn't trust it with a real project. I've seen it fail too many times and screw things up.
2) The reason developers who use Ecplise have to change their style is because they have to GIVE UP features that make coding easier and quicker to get tools that really are un-necessary. It's actually less of a leap to Dreamweaver, than to eclipse and with SVN/CVS support in the next version, and a developer version (amongst other versions) on the way, it looks like a better environment.
3) As fr forameworks... Who uses Mach-II or fusebox... lots of people who go to cf conferences, not many others. I think I've worked in two companies in eight years that used one of the main frameworks, there's a lot of hype. Most people use their own internal framework, even today.
4) Ecplise has the worst usability an app has ever seen, that is BAD PRACTICE right there. I'd rather use windows command line interface than ecplise!
5) What does editing code on live server have to do with IDE's? Ecplise does not improve your coding skills. How absurd!
Dreamweaver Extensions allow you to use the one ide for your apps: (which is the way eclipse does)
1) SVN support that's stable and fully integrated
http://www.dreamweaver-extensions.net/index.php/SV...
2) Air IDE
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/AIR:Dreamweav...
4) Extjs IDE (with code hints)
http://www.spket.com/dreamweaver-extension.html
and I'm just getting started...
I guess I really mixed two topics in one there and never finished either.
I really can't remember any features of Homsite that I now miss.
And I've never used Dreamweaver other then for quick WYSINWYG layout, since the MX release I've just gone off it as it's bloat ware, ok Eclipse is a beast but I guess it's a developer choice.
If your suited to a tool then great, but I think if a tool makes it too easy to do something that is just dam wrong in any environment then things will never change. RDS is great in a Developer Environment, but how many SysAdmins know to turn it off in production.
At the end of the day editing code on a live environment is WRONG, and I feel dreamweaver makes it too easy to do, as do many other tools ;) Not say eclipse doesn't.
As for Dreamweaver Getting SVN in the next release HELLO welcome to the real world, who in their right mind thinks VSS is source Control. I use the Subversive Plugin for Eclipse and long as you RTFM it's fine. Bottom line is if you don't know how SVN works then there is you issue.
BTW Thanks for your comments Chris, always good to see if from the other side.
1) Subclipse and Subversive have come along way since you used them obviously - they both have their flaws but they are both very stable and do exactly what they are supposed to. They both use the same set of API libraries for SVN that are all very well used.
2) As I previously mentioned previously the only feature that is missing from eclipse/cfeclipse is code sweeper. The only major change that developer should get used to is organising their development using project (called sites in DW) rather than using the file explorer. If you really want to hack about with live files then there is FTP functionality in eclipse and the CF8 plugins from Adobe provide RDS access.
3) While I agree that not everyone uses one of the main frameworks and many have their own frameworks. The Framework explorer is not the only function in eclipse/cfeclipse. I don't use the framework explorer, but I do use the code outline, the method view, the code snippet tree and snipex server, mylyn integration with my chosen bug, svn integration, TO DO task lists, problem view panel and so on....
4) Eclipse 3.2 is problematic in its usability. 3.3 is much nicer and to be honest eclipse is only as usable as you make it. Configure the layout and keyboard short cuts to the way you want to use it.
5) Homesite and Dreamweaver both allow you immediate and direct access to files on a live server either via FTP or RDS. Eclipse, while having various FTP and RDS plugins, does not make this functionality immediately available. It doesn't make you a better developer, but it does help to prevent you using really bad practices. Kev's example bad practice is only one example.
6) SVN support that's stable and fully integrated, oh and free:
http://www.polarion.org/index.php?page=download&am...
7) AIR IDE : http://www.aptana.com/air/
8) AJAX integration : http://www.aptana.com/products covers JQuery, Ext and more, as well as their recently added Jaxer Server.
I've been a web applications developer since the early 90's and I've gone through Notepad and its ilk, cfstudio, homesite, dreamweaver, HotMeTaL and more. Dreamweaver is a great product, but way too weighty for my development requirements or environment and I find that its not that usable unless I'm doing design work.